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The "Bride of Christ" Is Not the Church

The Bride of Christ

Do you still believe women should not be pastors or leaders in the church? Do you still believe healing was for the early church? Do you still believe the Baptism of the Holy Spirit was for the early church and not for the body of Christ today also?

Many of the church's views on these doctrinal pillars have been revised in recent years. With a spirit of honest examination, the church has realized that they were not quite right. With that said, I believe its time to take a closer look at the "Bride of Christ" doctrine as well.

Here are the reasons why:

1. While there is a "lamb's wife, the bride of Christ", it is not the church—Revelation 21:9-10 clearly states that the "the bride, the Lamb's wife" is the Holy Jerusalem.

2. Revelation 19:7 says, "Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready." Again, this lamb's wife, the bride of Christ cannot be refering to the church! If the church is "the bride of Christ," then the Christian has to do something to get "herself ready." This requires "works" to be done by the Christian to get ready. The Word says that we are already made righteous and are already sanctified. So then, the church, in God's eyes, is already ready. The bride of Christ has to be something else!

3. If the Church were "the bride, the Lamb's wife," then the angel in Revelation 21:9-10 would have shown "the Church," not the Holy Jerusalem.

4. Jesus did not teach that his body is also his bride. Paul didn't teach it either.

5. Christians are repeatedly called "sons of God," "the body of Christ," and "the church" throughout the New Testament but are never called "the bride of Christ."

Currently, the main teaching regarding the "Bride of Christ" is that she is the church and must make herself ready. This teaching is inconsistent with the entire Pauline Revelation of the Gospel of Grace.

Because of the free gift of grace, we are already righteous and without spot nor blemish in the Lord's sight. We are already ready! Therefore, it stands to reason that the church can't be the one "getting herself ready." The "Bride of Christ" then must refer to something or someone else! The "bride" must refer, not to the church, but to the Holy Jerusalem, just as the Word of God says in Revelations 21:9-12.

The Unfortunate "Bride of Christ" Doctrine: Readying Ourselves Lies in God's Hands

The "Bride of Christ" teaching says the church has to do something to make "herself ready," to be perfect. If this is true, then there is absolutely no way Jesus will ever return and get us. We can't get "ready" ourselves or achieve perfection by our own doing. It'll never happen. We are not perfect, and we can never be perfect outside of his gift of righteousness. It is just not possible. It will never be possible!

Can't Ignore the Comparison of Worship and Marriage

Though I do not believe that the "Bride of Christ" refers to the church, I do think that the comparison of our relationship to God with the covenants, promises, or vows made in marriage is helpful. The Word does make those comparisons. I don't refute that. God has made a lot of promises to us similar to those we make to each other when we get married.

But as far as my personal relationship with God? I am a friend of God. He is my Dad, and I am His son, too. In the Scripture, it reads "...whereby we cry Abba (literally: "daddy"), Father." The closeness and intimate nature of our relationship with Him has the quality of the relationship between a father and a son, not a relationship between spouses. He is a Dad who has promised me an inheritance and the ability to come boldy to His throne of grace.

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Neither Jesus Nor Paul Ever Preached That the Body of Christ is a Bride

They did not tell us the body of Christ is a bride of any kind. Perhaps Israel is the bride, but the body of Christ certainly isn't.

Jesus never told His disciples He would someday be their bride. Paul didn't say we are the bride. In fact, nowhere in scriptures does it ever say Christians are the bride of Christ. Not only that, it just seems strange.

The Term "Bride of Christ" Never Appears in the Bible

While a "Lambs' Wife" is mentioned in Revelations, the term "Bride of Christ" is never used in the Bible. I searched the Bible for the term "Bride of Christ". I couldn't find it. It surprised me when I did that search and came up with no results! And to think, after all these years of hearing how we are the bride of Christ and He will come get us once we have made ourselves ready.

What Does the Bible Say about the "Bride of Christ"?

What does the word say about the "Bride of Christ"? Nothing really. The term "Bride of Christ" is nowhere in the Bible. Aside from being first coined by the Roman Catholic Church, this term has been invented out of perceived inferences of certain passages that says God's relationship to us is "as a bride". These passages are all parables or similes. They are simply making a comparison of our relationship to Him. He loves us and has made covenant promises to us, similar to how a husband loves and upholds promises to his wife.

Again, the passage that comes closest to mentioning a bride from Revelation:

And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel...

Revelation 21:9-12

This passage does not say the body of Christ is the the Lamb's wife. It does not say Israel is the Lamb's wife. It clearly states however that "that great city, the Holy Jerusalem" is the Lamb's wife. In verse 10, it also says that John the Revelator saw that great city descending down from heaven adorned as a bride. He doesn't even refer to it as the bride but that it is adorned as a bride.

Read This Parable from Matthew Again

Matthew 22:1-14 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said, The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen.

The bride is not the subject of this story—the guests are. The commonly accepted interpretation of this parable is that the guests represent the church—how can the guests be considered the bride?

Taking the leap from the guests representing "the bride of Christ" can't be done, but the proponents of the "bride of Christ" concept do it with this passage all of the time!

Read This Parable from Matthew Again, Too

Matt 25:1-13 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

It goes without saying that the ten virgins are not this groom's wife. They are only guests trying to get into the wedding.

Once again, taking the leap from the ten virgins being guests to them being the bride and representing "the Bride of Christ" can't be done. This story is about being ready to be accepted into the kingdom of heaven. How is that done? By accepting Jesus as our Lord.

That story is as simple as that!

Another Argument Lies in Isaiah 62

Some have said the Lord would not marry a city, but here the Lord is married to the land. It is not a stretch that He could be married to a city if He wants, as has been indicated in Revelation 21:9-10. God can do what He wants, whether we understand it or not. After all, when did God ever do anything that really made sense to us?

In Jeremiah, God Is Already Married to Israel

In the Old Testament, the church of Christ had not yet been established. Therefore, there was no church yet; furthermore, the prophet says God is already married to Israel! There is never any mention of a wedding for Jesus, simply one to the lamb's wife.

Why Do We Always Read Things into the Word?

So, how did some miss that passage and turn the church or even Israel into the "bride of Christ"? Israel makes more sense, but still, I'm not sure why people draw conclusions like these without clear evidence. The very human desire to understand everything has led to people reading into things that aren't really there in order to make some sort of sense out of it.

Preachers Aren't Always Right

Just because it was said by somebody in the pulpit doesn't make it true. The only thing you know must be true is the Word of God. So instead of putting unwavering faith in preachers, examine stories that seem clear to you.

Why the "Bride of Christ" Doctrine Is Important: Christianity Becomes Like All the Other Religions of the World

I used to think the "Bride of Christ" doctrine was an issue of secondary importance. However, with further consideration, I have concluded it is a fundamental concern. What the doctrine teaches causes to do works to become "without spot or wrinkle." Our Christianity becomes just like all the rest of the religions of the world. It becomes a religion of works and not one founded in God's grace. The "Bride of Christ" teaching takes away from us God's grace and gift of riaghteousness. We then become all about works. The Galations were all about works. What did Paul call those Galations? He called them fools.

Other Problems with the "Bride of Church" Doctrine

In addition to devaluing His gift of righteousness, the "Bride of Christ" doctrine also devalues our authority and position in Christ. Being in his body is much more powerful than simply being his bride.

For example, when it comes right down to it, my wife is limited in her authority over me because she is a separate person. It's not that way with the body of Christ. He gave us all of His authority as kings and priests in the earth. We are his body. We have His authority in the earth. That authority is the Word of God He gave us to hear, believe, speak, and live by.

Don't Believe Anything You Hear (Including What I Write) Unless It Can Be Clearly Backed up by the Word

I can clearly backup, with scripture, the fact that the Lamb's wife is the holy city of Jerusalem. But the ones who believe the church is the bride of Christ cannot back it up with obvious scripture.

Reconsidering Doctrine

Its good to question everything we are being taught. I have always been puzzled by the "Bride of Christ" doctrine. After all, the Word says that we don't marry in heaven in Luke 20:35. I originally didn't think this verse had much to do with the "Bride of Christ" doctrine, yet, on second thought, maybe it does. There is no limiting language in this scripture—if we won't be given in marriage in heaven, then can it even be possible to be married to Jesus, or anyone else for that matter, in the hereafter? My questioning began with the Scripture.

Origins of the "Bride of Christ" Doctrine

The term "Bride of Christ" has it roots in the Roman Catholic Church. You probably know the clergy or priests of the Roman Catholic Church "marries" their church, taking an oath to celebacy. As a result, the term "Bride of Christ" was eventually coined in relation to this practice. Today, this concept and terminology has spilled over into our own fundamental Christian doctrines.

The Play "The Bride"

Several years ago (early '90s), there was a play called The Bride. This play told a story of how the church is the "Bride of Christ." This play was performed in many cities in the US. It was a nice little drama, but it is unscriptural. However, the play helped engrain the "Bride of Christ" doctrine in the public consciousness.

It just sounds nice. But just because the doctrine sounds good doesn't mean its God. Don't believe a thing just because it makes sense at first glance. If its not clearly in the Word, it is not so.

Inferences Don't Establish Truth

As we have established, the notion that we are the "Bride of Christ" is an inference. Building doctrines on inferences will mess us up and get us off the truth. This is the reason the Jones followers got off and drank the kool-aid. I don't know about you, but I'm not going with any doctrine that is inferred.

For example, it can be inferred that the baptism of the Holy Spirit was for the early church only, and that God doesn't operate that way today. For centuries the church, by and large, had been robbed of the comfort, revelation, ability, and power found in the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I'm glad we don't believe that's true anymore.

Also consider that "the church" once believed women shouldn't be in ministry or pastoring or in any leadership positions. That misconception came from inferences as well.

I take the Word literally for what it says unless it specifically says otherwise. For instance, Jesus told many stories that had meanings and were similes. Before He told His stories, He always led the listeners know He was about to tell a parable.

We don't accept those inferences about baptism or women in the ministry as truth anymore, and we shouldn't. Neither should we accept inferences in regards to the "Bride of Christ" teaching.

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Comments

cdacoffee (author) from Idaho on March 29, 2013:

I absolutely believe that is what those passages mean. Thanks for that comment.

eddieb97830 on March 29, 2013:

THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

REV 21:9&10

JESUS has prerared the Holy City, the New Jerusalem, the bride, the Lamb's Wife.

REV 19:7 "Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him : for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready."

JN 14: 2 & 3

JN 2 In My Father's House are many mansions if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

JN 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and recieve you unto Myself ; that where I am , there you may be also.

eddieb97830 on March 26, 2013:

Could it be ?

Jesus himself has prepaired the bride, the Lambs wife. The Holy City.

JN14:2 & 3

In My Father's House are many mansions if it were not so, I would have told you, I go to prepare a place for you.

And if I go and prepare a place for you. I will come, and recieve you unto Myself that where I am, there you may be also.

graceinus from those of the Ekklesia on January 31, 2013:

cdacoffee

I agree with you 100%.

cdacoffee (author) from Idaho on January 31, 2013:

Graceinus,

Clarifying the two definitions we can ascribe to "sin willfully".

1. "Sin willfully" in Hebrews 10; Rejecting Jesus as the final and last sacrifice of "once and for all". This leads to rejecting grace under the New Covenant and what Jesus accomplished on the cross for all of us.

2. "Sinning willfully"; a person who has NOT rejected Jesus, the New Covenant grace and who is fully persuaded of the truth of it yet commits a sin such as drunkenness, fornication, etc.

Adding to definition number 2 I would point out there are many Christians who have accepted Jesus and at the same time struggle with drunkenness, smoking, drugs, lusts of the flesh etc., etc.

Lets just say for a minute that smoking is a sin. Christian smokers willfully smoke. The very fact that a person lifts their arm to their mouth with a cigarette is an act of their will. They have to "will" their arm to move it there. Am I right? Does this mean they can't be forgiven? Of course not! Don't be ridiculous! That is just plain stupid!

Or what about the Christian who is struggling with certain addictions? They commit those sins deliberately. Does that mean they can't be forgiven either? Of course not. Its a foolish thing to think that God's grace is not sufficient enough to forgive in any of these cases. God is El Shaddai, the God who is MORE than enough.

I would also like to add that almost any sin committed after becoming a Christian is an act of one's will. If this is the case then not one person who is a Christian can be forgiven under the idea that there is no longer a sacrifice available to us to be forgiven if we "sin willfully" as some have so stated in their comments here.

So then, in Hebrews 10, Paul meant "sin willfully" is to reject the truth of Jesus being the ultimate and final "for once and for all" sacrifice.

The OT sacrifices of those priests are null and void now. Theirs "no longer" work to cover sins. Only Jesus' sacrifice works and works and keeps on working, to forever and ever and ever wash away all sins.

Go figure.

graceinus from those of the Ekklesia on January 31, 2013:

CDACOFFEE- What you are saying is the very point I was trying to make when I quoted John 16: 8 and 9 above. If one does not believe in Christ Jesus, then that is thee SIN. Of cource if one does not believe in Christ how would they understand they have His grace. The key point is Grace through faith is what wash away our SIN of not believing in Him. This is the foundation of Christ's church that He built. It's Grace. Understanding that Jesus did what we could never do, and that means being perfect. But the blind will never understand this.

There are far to many churches out there that overlap the Old and New Covenants and build a doctrine that the bride of Christ is the Church. They are to blinded to understand that the death on the cross of Jesus Christ ended the Old Covenant (Law) and began the New Covenant (Grace). This is a alian concept to them. When overlaping the two Covenants it fogs the CONTEXT of the two covenants. And because of this people will cotinue to use verses in both the Old and New Testament to TRY and support their bride of Christ is the Church doctrine. Trying to get them to understand God's grace is like trying to lead a tree to water.

Gad Bless you CDACOFFEE.

cdacoffee (author) from Idaho on January 29, 2013:

I say to all of us that we have to read the entire letter Paul wrote to see what it is that he is talking about. We can't just jump on one passage and think we know what its really saying. Notice in Chapter 9 that he is discussing the sacrifices of the Old Covenant vs the New Covenant Sacrifice Jesus made. Also continue on through the end of chapter 10 and chapter 11. This entire discussion is about the Old Covenant vs the New, living by works vs Faith.

Paul's discussion to Hebrews on this topic is attempting to explain that under the New Covenant Jesus was the sacrifice "once and for all". He was telling the people that we have to think in a new way, times have changed, there is ”a new and better covenant”.

The term in Hebrews 10, “willfully sin” refers to people sinning by rejecting the New Covenant. They were having trouble believing it. So, they rejected the New Covenant and went back to the Old Covenant. They were willfully sinning by rejecting the New Covenant of grace.

Before Jesus was sacrificed, the sacrifices the priests made under Mosaic law happened once a year. Those sacrifices covered all the sins of the people for the year only. This had to be done once a year. But since Jesus had been sacrificed there was no need for the priest to perform their sacrifices annually anymore. “There no longer remains a sacrifice for sin”. It was a new day, a New Covenant had been born! Things don't work the same anymore. Jesus had been the last sacrifice. The age and dispensation of grace had arrived! Praise God! So then if we sin willfully, we are forgiven of that too under the New Covenant. But trying to obey the law now (by doing some kind of a work to get a response), under the mechanisms of the Old Covenant, if a person sinned and/or willfully sinned there was no longer the annual preistly sacrifice that would work to "cover" those sins. The sacrifices of the preists were no longer effective as Jesus had made the real and pure sacrifice of Himself to not just "cover" sins but to wash them all away “for once and for all”. He was saying its all different now. Its not the sacrifice of the priests that take care of covering sins but the sacrifice of Jesus washing away all your sins “once and for all”. Annual sacrifices of the preists were “no longer”.

Galations 3 tells us that if we do a works we put ourselves back under the Mosaic law and requirements. That is; we partake in the Old Covenant so we will need the old annual sacrifice of the preists to cover the sins according to the Mosaic Covenant. He is saying that if we sin, being under that covenant then there is no more sacrifice being done now that will work to forgive sins (including willful sins since there is only one sin that cannot be forgiven; that is; rejecting God) according to the Mosaic Covenant's requirements. Those requirements (the annual sacrifice in particular) were dispensed and “no longer” when Jesus' sacrifice took care of all sins forever.

graceinus from those of the Ekklesia on January 29, 2013:

I think rdwray and ericbowk both need to read John 16: 8 and 9 (NKJV) which states: 8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of SIN, and of righteousness, and of Judgement; 9 of SIN, because they do not believe in ME,

You see folks , the ONLY SIN we will be convicted of is not believing in Jesus. And that is the ONLY sin. The He, that Jesus was refering to in verse 8 is the Holy Spirit. You both need to UNDERSTAND what this means in it's CONTEXT. And that's the problem with you two when you're too wrapped up in religion. You end up blinded. Learn the bible for yourself and try to understand the CONTEXT. Through Christ Jesus we have received GRACE.

CDACOFFEE, I think this bride of Christ is not the church is a issue that should continue to be supported. There are to many religions out there that continue to shove bad doctrine down peoples throats. And I also believe there are far far less people in Christ Church than people who call themselves christians realize. You continue to have my 100% support.

God Bless.

rdwray on January 29, 2013:

This is far off the subject of the blog, but my greater concern is that no one ever reads the Bible, they always quote someone else.

"Sinning willfully" means "intentional sin"; in other words, you know you are doing wrong when you do it such as lie. " Hebrews 10:26 (NKJV) For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,"

People seem to think that "all I have to do is recognize Jesus and I have it made; the greatest and most false teaching by anyone. "Luke 9:62 (NKJV) But Jesus said to him, “No one, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.”"

cdacoffee (author) from Idaho on January 28, 2013:

ericbowk,

"Sinning willfully" means that if I willfully do works to achieve no spot or blemish, salvation, blessings, holiness, sanctification, righteousness, and etc., etc. then I fail. Doing works to achieve anything is the willful sin that is being discussed in that passage of scripture. This is doing a work to get a result from God. It don't work that way bro! There is nothing I can do, good OR bad that will get me through those Pearly Gates or keep me out if I believe His grace is more that abounding towards me. If we don't believe that, then whats the point of believing Christianity is the true way?

Everything under grace is free no matter what I do EXCEPT for deciding that God does not exist and neither does His grace towards me. That is the definition of "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit". It is, according to the Word the ONLY unforgivable sin.

cdacoffee (author) from Idaho on January 28, 2013:

To ericbowk:

False doctrine of grace? Seriously? Maybe you oughta read Romans and listen to what Joseph Prince's teachings are saying about grace and how it really works...

God is even gonna overlook the fact that either one of us could be sinning by willfully preaching a false doctrine. Either mine is a false doctrine or yours is.

The word says that all we have to do to be saved is call on the name of the Lord.

I'm right about this dude. If we have to do something to become without spot and blemish then we are putting ourselves back under the law.

We all sin daily boht inadvertently and deliberately. So then according to your position none of us will make it.

Maybe you need to go back and research what is really meant about "willfully sinning".

That passage means that there is no more forgiveness of sin because I tried to become without spot and blemish out of my own doing something (that is willfully trying to become without spot and blemish by doing something to become that way and all the while ignoring that we were given the gift of righteousness and are already are without spot and blemish).

The truth is, is that is already done by the work that Jesus did and not by some work that I might do. That is grace and that message is not a false doctrine of Grace. So then, I say that you are an idiot. Oh crap... I said that willfully... Guess I'm not gonna be forgiven... Geez!

Evangelist Anita Fuentes from California on January 27, 2013:

@cdacoffee - my brother you are a breath of Holy Spirit fresh air! Jesus bless you my friend, Amen! First I want to say you made me laugh when you stated in much earlier comments that a lady stated in all seriousness that she was the Holy Spirit. Wow. What audacity and ungodly deception.

I, by God's Grace have been preaching on this extensively and have gotten ALOT of resistance from many in the Body of Christ, it is amazing to say the least. I just posted this link on both my personal FB page and ministry FB page. I believe you would be interested in listening to our end-time ministry broadcast titled 'Open Your Eyes People 'where we bring Breaking News headlines Matching Bible Prophecy on Youtube. I will post a link to it. Please check it out.

I have spent the last hour going over practically evey comment written concerning this blessed article of Truth and praise Jesus for His Grace upon you to not grow weary while doing good and telling the same Truth over and over. With so many who oppose this view and DESPERATELY try and refute it it can make one wonder what caused them to stumble onto this page in the first place. Perhaps a Holy Spirit conviction that the Church is not the Bride of Christ but in Truth is New Jerusalem and saying otherwise is REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY another doctrine among many from the pit of hell.

CDA I pray Jesus' richest and purest blessings be upon you and your entire household and very important ministry in this final lap. Jesus is coming soon....Amen

Your honored sister in Christ,

Evangelist Anita

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ericbowk on January 08, 2013:

Mickey,

I love your boldness and truth, but unfortunately the church today has believed in this false doctrine cda is believing, we know it clearly says Jesus will not return to a bride that is blemished, we know the parable of the lamps and oil, this false message of grace is preventing the return of Jesus, Jesus told us we must be righteous and holy. People forget it is written that whoever willfully sins after receiving the knowledge of truth there will remain no more forgiveness of sin, but only a fiery expectation of judgment. That should put a stop to all this fakes grace . It is s ickening how people spit on grace and Gods son. As me me I PLEDGE MY ALLEGIANCE TO JESUS and to everything He s

rdwray on November 27, 2012:

1. Israel is God's wife (Jeremiah 3:14)

2. First resurrection is martyrs only who were killed for Word of God (Revelation 20:4-6).

3. Second resurrection is those who are written in the Lamb's book of and and those who are not (Revelation 20:11-13).

4. The Bride of Christ is New Jerusalem (Revelation 21:2).

cdacoffee (author) from Idaho on November 26, 2012:

Brianvt,

Great list! and really helpful in additionally establishing the fact that the church is NOT the bride...

brianvt on November 13, 2012:

Great conversation! My take:

1. Church is a mystery to the Prophets and can't be seen in the Tanakh(OT).

2. Mt Sinai is Israel's betrothal (kiddushin).

3. 2nd Coming is Israel's Marriage (nissiun).

4. Then there is the resurrection of the Just (all saints, except for the Church which was resurrected as first fruits at the Rapture).

5. Sukkot is the marriage feast of the Lamb, celebrating the marriage to Israel. Great Joy!

6. Jesus destroys all armies at armageddon

6. Then there is the 1000 year Sabbath, during which, mortal saints continue to die.

7. Then the Great White Throne judgment which includes the resurrection of the millenial saints.

8. The new Jerusalem comes down which is all of Israel, OT-Trib-Mill.

9. Church is in heaven and stays there, the last time you see the Church in scripture is Rev 3.22

10. Church is the body of Christ and rules over the angels in heaven.

Vladimir Uhri from HubPages, FB on October 15, 2012:

All we know there will be wedding celebration. There will be wedding supper. I believe it is unification of all believers and it includes the 1. Church, 2. 144,000 Jewish believers and 3. Martyrs of Great Tribulation period.

My question is, Lamb is going to marry city or people of New Jerusalem?

Agape to all.

graceinus from those of the Ekklesia on October 13, 2012:

It is amazing how we christians can see things in the bible that isn't there and then turn around and fail to see the things that are.

I believe this is the difference between interpertation and clear understanding of God's word.

As cdacoffee mentioned so many times the Bride of Christ is the New Jerusalem which is clearly stated in Rev: 21: 10. When one mentions the Body of Christ, then this is something which can be found throughout the New Testament.

In this case many christian clearly interpert and/or assume the Bride of Christ is the chruch doctrine, due the the fact that much of the Bride of Christ is the church doctrine come from those who stand at the pulpits.

When ministers and others who teach do not understand the word of God themselves, then we as christian end up believing their err.

For example of what we see and don't see in God's word, I have heard so many times from different ministers and preasts over time regarding the Old Covenant, that God gave only one covenant to Moses on Mt Sinai for the Nation of Isreal (it is refered to now days as the Old Covenant). I have NEVER heard it tought that God actually gave Moses TWO covenants. As I later learned in time, on my owen, it was revealed that God in fact gave Moses TWO Covenants in all. For proof of this I draw your attention to the (OT) Book of Deuteronomy 29:1 which states:

These our the words of the COVENANT which God commanded Moses to make with the children of Isreal in the land of Moab, BESIDES the COVENANT which He made with them in Horeb.

(Horeb is the location in which Mt. Sinai sits)

So how did we as christians miss this important fact regarding the TWO Old Covenants which is never tought. But those who stand in front of a pulpit will teach the Bride of Christ is the Church doctrine.

We christians depend far to much on ministers and preasts for our understanding of God's word. So when we listen to doctrine like the Bride of Christ is the Church, then we allow others to see for us. We allow others to misunderstand, the Covenants of God, for us. So no doubt if they (ministers) see what is not in the word of God and teach it as doctrine, then that is the way most christians will learn err.

The point I am trying to make is this. The Bride of Christ is the Church is a doctrine that one can not prove. We allow many preasts and ministers to mislead us into false or wrong doctrine. Why is it that one would teach something that is not in God's word ( the Bride of Christis the Church issue), but have no problem in failing to mention something as important as TWO Old Covenants. Which is clearly writen but nobody teaches. Why.

rdwray on September 07, 2012:

God is a spirit, why would He marry an individual - Mormon theology.

jenchristopherson from maricopa, az on September 04, 2012:

You are right. The Bride is one individual being and a secret and a mystery to all. Just as Jesus Christ is a secret and mystery about his second comming and how he is here now on earth for his Bride. He is not here to be famous and neither does he want his Bride to be famous either. We like our privacy but he is still omnipresent and here with all spiritually and Loving us all the way he does best. I feel like my life is a dream come true and it is really real and you don't have to pinch me to wake me up from this fantastic dream because I am awake and this life withmy husband is real and really happening. Praise God forever I love him so much. God Bless Jennifer Christopherson

EbRoy on September 02, 2012:

This is a subject that never settled in my spirit. All I have is a question. Revelation 22:17 was mentioned sometime last year. "The Spirit and the Bride say come," But the person left off there. It's not only the Spirit and the Bride that say come. If the person would have continued you would have read, "and let him who hears say come." So, in Rev. 22:17 you have three seperate entities saying "come." You have the "Spirit." Doesn't take a genuis to figure out that's the Holy Spirit who is always wooing us and calling us unto repentence. Then there's the "Bride." Many believe that is the church. But it doesn't fit the description. However, the third entity, those who hear, or have heard definitely does. And what are they doing? Bidding people to come, because they have heard. Heard what? Could it be the good news? The way I see it, the identity of the Bride is a mystery. When the angel tells John that he is going to show John the Bride, John only describes a city that is decorated for the wedding. Sorry, no leaked photos or paparazzi allowed....the Holy Spirit doesn't allow John to describe her, only a city decked out for a celebration. I believe the Bride of Christ is an individual being....a secret and a mystery to us.

cdacoffee (author) from Idaho on September 01, 2012:

tru10000,

...then explain why it says in the Old Testament that God says He is married to the Land?

Furthermore, explain why John is shown the Holy City of Jerusalem by the angel that showed him the "bride, the Lamb's wife"?

I beleive that such concepts are a part of the "mystery of the gospel". We may not really understand how the "bride" could be the Holy City of Jerusalem or how God could say in the book of Hosea that He is married to the land but nevertheless that is what the word says so the bride, the Lamb's wife is the Holy City of Jerusalem.

tru10000 on August 28, 2012:

Peace and grace to all who have written on this hub, including the OP.

God is omnipotent, all knowing, eternal and holy, holy, holy. He is love. Only by love does anything we know really matter. Can you imagine Almighty God, full of love and justice, marrying an inanimate object? I can't.

jimmydelr on August 13, 2012:

nice topic

richprickitt on August 10, 2012:

Dear Bro. Coffee,

In Genesis 2:22, God, the Father of Adam, presents Adam with his bride. In Revelation 21:2, 9-11, The Lamb's wife comes down, from God (Jesus' Father) out of heaven. Once God establishes a pattern, He will NEVER alter it. I.e. Nowhere in Scripture is it recorded for us that a man ever presented his bride to himself.

And as far as 2 Corinthians 11:2 is concerned, the only thing the apostle Paul presents to Jesus is himself a living sacrifice - just as you and I, and every Christian is supposed to do or be doing.

(In that verse, Paul is 'speaking' in the middle voice - wishing he could, but lamenting he cannot present the rebellious faction in the church at Corinth as a chaste virgin to Christ. In the chapter's opening verse, Paul asks his 'audience' to bear with him in his folly.)

Therefore, Jesus does NOT present His bride to Himself, but His Body in Ephesians 5:27.

Beginning in Ephesians 5:18, the apostle Paul commences his 'seminar' on relationships. The first is each individual's relationship with and to his Lord. The second is a husband and wife's relationship to each other, which should mirror Christ's relationship with and to His Church, Which is His Body (verses 28-30). (Christ's relationship to His Church demonstates the highest standard of love [agape].) The third relationship is that between parents and children (Ephesians 6:1-4). And the fourth and final relationship is that of servants and masters (Ephesians 6:5-9).

And it must be remembered that those that attend the Marriage Supper of the Lamb (Revelation 19:7-8) are comprised of ALL the saints of ALL the ages that have arrived in heaven by the occasion of the 'Wedding Feast' of the Lamb, at which the Lamb is not even present! (Jesus does not arrive until verse eleven.

Question: Would Jesus lead the armies in heaven - clothed in fine linen, white & clean (v. 8 fine linen, clean & white) - to go forth to judge and make war after He had just acquired them as His bride? No, He would not. The events in Revelation 21 occur AFTER Christ's millennial reign, AFTER the Great White Throne Judgment, and AFTER the first heaven and the first earth were passed away. (Cf. 2 Peter 3:10-13.)

And if the "saints" in Revelation 19:8 are only Church saints, which are to be Christ's bride, then God is a respecter of persons - which we know He is not.

Blessings, peace, and love in the joy and privilege of serving Jesus & testifying of Him!

Rich Prickitt

Prophet/Evangelist/Teacher - Founder/Director of Body Building Ministries, Inc. - Building the Body of Christ SOULdier by SOULdier

godlovejoy on August 07, 2012:

Sometimes I do a search on a subject and I searched "Bride of Christ" and came up with this article. Very good, and true. Cdacoffee has wisdom. There are many things being taught today that are not discerned by the Holy Spirit and are interpreted by our flesh, so we are off on a lot of things. This is one of them. There is a chosen group, Jesus says in the parable of the wedding feast that many are called but few are chosen. The Spirit draws many and calls many, but you must make yourself worthy and chosen by your own choosing to follow Christ and give up your life to him. Whatever He asks, whether you have to leave family, houses, lands, whatever. Then He will put you through a time of testing with many trials, and sufferings that you must endure to be made worthy of this calling and to be chosen. You do the will of the Father, and He gives you the grace to do it. So in essence, you choose to be chosen. You can't fail, if you keep following. This is the new covenant made with Christ. They are the Bride because they will be at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb and become One with Christ. Those that are chosen are described in Rom. 8:29,30

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

These chosen are the firstborn among many brothers/Sisters, and will be glorified, they are from every race and tongue, Gentile, or Jew, Male or Female. These chosen are the chosen "Israel." They will be taken to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb and become one with Christ in the First Resurrection, and receive their spiritual body, just as Christ did when He rose from the dead. They will rule and reign with Christ for the 1,000 years as Priests, Kings, Judges and judge the people who were not chosen. It's a high calling that when followed will produce an inheritance of great honor and authority. They will be as the Angels of God. This is the Bride.

rdwray on August 04, 2012:

I have not see where Paul said that the Church is the bride; he did say that the saved Christian was espoused to Christ as a virgin which has absolutely nothing to do with being a bride. Here a few verses to put context on what God says about the subject - a few are spelled out and the rest are listed below:

Jeremiah 3 (NKJV)

12 "Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say: 'Return, backsliding Israel,' says the LORD; 'I will not cause My anger to fall on you. For I am merciful,' says the LORD; 'I will not remain angry forever.

13 Only acknowledge your iniquity, That you have transgressed against the LORD your God, And have scattered your charms To alien deities under every green tree, And you have not obeyed My voice,' says the LORD.

14"Return, O backsliding children," says the LORD; "for I am married to you. I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion.

Hosea 2 (NKJV)

14 "Therefore, behold, I will allure her, Will bring her into the wilderness, And speak comfort to her.

15 I will give her her vineyards from there, And the Valley of Achor as a door of hope; She shall sing there, As in the days of her youth, As in the day when she came up from the land of Egypt.

16 "And it shall be, in that day," Says the LORD, "That you will call Me 'My Husband,' And no longer call Me 'My Master,'

Lamb's wife - Jerusalem represents Israel (See God's wife): Rev 21:9-10; Rev 19:7-9. (Description of the bride: Rev 19:10-21)

(God compares Israel to a "woman": Jer 3:6.)

Guests invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb: Matt 22:1-14.

Virgins invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb: Matt 25:1-13.

God is betroted to Israel: Jer 3:14; Hos 2:18-19

Can Christ marry His brothers: John 20:17; 1John 3:1.

Christians are sons of God: John 1:12; Rom 8:14 and joint heirs with Christ: Rom 8:16-17.

Jews invitation to supper and refuse it: Luke 14:16-20.

Gentiles invitated to the supper because of the Jews rejection of Christ: Luke 14:21-23.

cdacoffee (author) from Idaho on August 03, 2012:

Golden Oldie,

I really didn't expect that my tack on this topic would be so controversial. I only wanted to refute it because the "bride of Christ" doctrine denies the Pauline revelation of the "Gospel of Grace" since, essentially, the "bride of Christ" doctrine tells us that we have to "get ourselves ready"!

So then Christianity becomes just another religion that requires some kind of a work to off-set the commision of the sins that we all make on a daily basis

ARisingSon on August 03, 2012:

The only place I find the Bride identified(sort of) is Rev.21:9-11 where one of the seven messengers(angels) says,"Hither! I shall be showing you the bride,the wife of the Lambkin. ....And he carries me away,in spirit,......and shows me the holy city,Jerusalem,....having the glory of God." Verse 2 previously called this "the holy city,new Jerusalem,...made "ready" as a bride adorned for her husband."(Concordant NT)

So,to know who is the Bride we must know who constitutes the New Jerusalem. Unless someone believes this is a literal city.

Revelation is a book of signs and symbols. Little of it can be taken literally. However, the "Jewishness" of this book is very apparent when you read all the terms taken from Judaism/Old Testament. This has lead some to teach that the Bride will be those early Jewish and Gentile converts before the Dispensation of Grace was ushered in by Paul's prison epistles(not just this,of course,but many other proofs as well).

Some have written on the possibility that the Bride is taken out of the Body just as Eve was taken out of the body of Adam. If that be the case then how is this "part" of the Body distinguished from the rest of the Body? I believe Jewish/OT tradition was that the father of the groom was instrumental in choosing a bride for his son. Thus the Father will choose from out of the Body the Bride for His Son. This bride will likely be manifest just before the Son returns to rule during the Kingdom Age. Bottom line, only Father knows who makes up the Bride. Not even the Son knows at this point.

Yownah from Washington on July 30, 2012:

Amos 3:7

In the same way that Israel is both a man (Jacob) and a kingdom, so the New Jerusalem is a woman and also a kingdom. At the wedding feast, all the church members are guests but one, the bride, she is the Lamb's wife. She is the capital and representative of the kingdom. She has made herself ready through faith - which itself is a gift - she has done nothing of herself to 'earn' this - it is all for, by, and because of the glory of God. The Lord shows mercy to whom He will and does what He deems best. As you have said, can we really begin to comprehend the ways of God?! I believe for all eternity we will continue to discover more and more of His excellent greatness and will ever be amazed at the ways in which He chooses to do His work. May His holy and blessed name be ever praised. The Lord will return to the earth from the wedding to bring the guests home. Lo, He is coming very soon - He is even at the door. 'The Spirit and the bride say "Come."'

Luke 12:34-40

Golden Oldie on July 15, 2012:

A lot of words written here but no one has shown that the Scripture ever

says that the Church is the Bride of Christ. No one has shown that the Bible anywhere mentions those words "the Bride of Christ" Tell me if the Bible doesn't talk about "the Bride of Christ" why teach it? There is plenty for us to feed on in the Bible without going outside it and bringing something in that it never talks about.

I am an old man now, some would tell me so, but my advice is feed on the Word of God, live by it's principles and don't get to bogged down in

things that it never even mentions. The start of this is a fair enough question but get past it, Christianity is CHRIST not ourselves. If He can't satisfy us nothing will. Come up with your questions but after all it is not what man says which counts but what the Bible says. This is what is important. God bless you all. ISN

graceinus on July 08, 2012:

To be a citizen in the Kingdom of God , you have to be chosen.

To be a member in the Body of Christ , you have to choose

rdwray on July 07, 2012:

I was reading this article which I agree with, but I ran into something rather interesting "Jesus can return now if God tells Him to. He can return at anytime." which says all prophecy has been fulfilled and that the pre-tribulation rapture is next and this is false:

Matt 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

30 “Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

cdacoffee (author) from Idaho on July 06, 2012:

Perhaps this is not a splinter group... Perhaps its time the church wakes eup and realizes that we are not the bride of Christ but that the chuch is the glory of Christ of the bridal gown and that that glory is His righteousness...

Fisher on July 06, 2012:

Once again a splinter group makes up another teaching to satisfy its own subjective interpretation of Scripture. Good for you. I dont agree with you at all. So Im going to make my own "church" and teach what I want. You have no authority to interpret scripture the way you "feel". Wake up.

Rockerid on June 27, 2012:

Id just like to point out that there is nothing more we can do to be ready for our Messiah, Yeshua! His sacrifice and out acceptance of Him as Lord and Savior made us ready. In James he writes how good works follow grace, a manifestation of the grace God had for us. I used to believe in the "bride" doctrine until I learned to stop making scripture fit a doctrine. And I used to debate for a church bride, but there was one thing I could never answer. If we are already righteous in His sight, and our good works are our way of showing our love for Him, how much love or how many good works or how much bible study or time spent in prayer does it take to be "bride-ready"? It's the same question I ask when witnessing to other "works" religions. When is enough a enough. A Christian is a Christian, saved by grace. There are many "Christians" today who I don't feel are saved as their lives don't mirror it at all but who am I to judge? What I want to know is what separates Christians into regulars and "bride-readies"? Cause I feel like I'm beginning to surrender all to Him, and its been a process. So when is enough enough? How many good works to outweigh my bad ones? Love and Shalom!

felicia on June 27, 2012:

the bride of christ is a female. Psalm 42:10. Is a female. Not the church.

Scott in Texas on June 26, 2012:

First, I am not so sure we can conclude that the holy city Jerusalem is the Lamb's wife, but where to look to see her. It never really makes the connection that the city is the lamb's wife; rather, it transitions from one reference to a description of the next, suggesting to some that they are the same. If you think about it though, the city would not be a wife, but the beings who inhabit it might. This leads us to answer just who will inhabit the holy city Jerusalem at that time.

Second, we are saved by grace through faith, no question about that. But, then to suggest righteousness and earning salvation through works, is confusing two doctrines, one of salvation and one of obedience. The importance of obedience is found throughout the Scriptures, both old and renewed covenants. Salvation is a gift, which if genuine, produces a changed heart. For what? To be Christ-like, or obedient! Christ was our ultimate sacrifice AND perfectly obedient. He was our atonement and our example of how to live AFTER we have been saved by faith. How do we know this? Because we cannot be perfectly obedient, so we cannot earn salvation; so the purpose of His example, is for after we are saved and how we should then live. The Bible is also full of passages about consequences. The consequences of a Believers bad behavior have been resolved (or absolved), but the consequences of a Believer's good behavior is the NEXT STEP. For example, we are rewarded with crowns. Why not rewards for obedience in other ways.

Just something to think about.

full gospel on June 19, 2012:

Good day, dear Brother,

Thank you for your response to my comment. This is a good exercise, like friends playing tennis.

The metaphors and similes that the Word of God uses are entry points for the reader to connect with the gospel message. As one goes through the Hermeneutical cycle from Meaning (Historical, Literal, Theological Harmony), Principle (Timeless Truths), Insight, Significance (Personal Experiences) and Application, there will be some things that will grip a certain kind of people, but not the other. In fact, we often find that some verses leap at us after we have experienced something that will open up that verse - it isn't always logic or logos; but it is an inner revelation that brings about a deep spiritual response or rhema. As such, we have learned to be open to God's new inventory of wineskins and teaching tools. If some respond to the Bridal Paradigm, let them enjoy that discovery because the Holy Spirit let them experience that significance.

One may have some Paradigms from the array of God's Word that speaks to that person more. That could be the theme and calling where he operates best. Others like the Warrior theme, others the Kingdom theme, others the Passover Lamb theme, others the Family theme. This is also the reason why The Father and The Son have so many Names. They can't just be reduced to one.

The gospel was first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. The LORD used Israel as His first showcase with a clear intention of letting other nations experience. The Father's bridal experience with Israel is projected in Christ's bridal experience with the Church. Israel has its place, and so do the Gentiles. No one is replaced. (Rom 11)

cdacoffee (author) from Idaho on June 19, 2012:

Full Gospel,

Thank you for you comment.

It is true that there is something to said about he bridal paradigm but I liken that paradigm to the covenant that I have made to my wife just as the New Covenant that, through Jesus sacrifce, God made to us. God made promises to us just as I have made promises to my wife. But just because God made promises to us in the New Covenant, does not make me a bride to Christ. Anything beyond that in our position to Christ in Him (as son of God and a member of Christ's body) is a stretch... Particularly in light of the scripture showing us EXACTLY who the lamb's wife is.

Let me add that an understanding of the bridal paradigm is not necessary for all Christians to be able to live decent lives that manifest who He is in our lives.

full gospel on June 17, 2012:

Behold, we come in peace, just sharing perspectives, and trying to put together the Body of Christ so that Jesus comes home to a united and fully mature Bride.

CDACoffee started a very interesting discussion, almost as hot a polemic as the "once saved, always saved (OSAS)" issue and difficult to resolve if people hold to extreme views.

The Bridal Paradigm is not against the teaching of salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone (Eph 2.8, 9) but extends to doing to good works which God prepared in advanced for us to do (Eph 2.10).

During the Reformation Period, against the extreme of salvation by works and indulgences, it was necessary for the Holy Spirit to bring out the teaching of salvation by grace. Fast forward to 21st Century, salvation by grace alone has brought about a whole breed of Christians who have abused the grace and love of Christ to their own detriment. BALANCE is important (Ecc 7.18 - it is grasp the one and not let go of the other. The man who fears God will avoid all 'extremes'.)

The Bridal Paradigm is a very helpful perspective in keeping the body of Christ pure and holy till the Groom comes. A pure and holy Bride would certainly please the LORD JESUS.

As to the term "Bride of Christ", its absence is similar to the absence of such terms as "Trinity" or even "computer". The absence of the term doesn't mean that it is absent in principle.

All in all, it would be best if we accommodate differences in perspectives of thinking and processing. It would be best to add up all these beautiful experiences, which could still never amount to the whole of Christ who is infinite. Paul even recognized that there would be differences among the Corinthians (1 Cor 11.19) to show which among them would have God's approval. Paul was expecting that resulting fruit of the Christians would prove the points made. And even that could not be formulated in concrete because the Holy Spirit is ever so fluid. We don't want to end up becoming Pharisees of the New Testament.

There are many churches who are responding well to the Bridal Paradigm....so let them do what is good until Jesus comes. Their focus is on bridal preparation, good works empowered by the Holy Spirit. Other churches might be onto doing other things which Jesus Himself will evaluate upon His return. So let each one serve according to his calling and serve well. Let us add up all the good things which Jesus said we would be doing for His glory alone. This is one way of demonstrating unity in the Body of Christ.

cdacoffee (author) from Idaho on June 14, 2012:

"If we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins." Heb 10:26

The book of Hebrews was written to the Jews who had been preached to by Paul that Jesus is their Messiah. They rejected Jesus. Therefore the sacrifice that Jesus was for them cannot not be a sacrifice for their sins. This also is true for anyone who hears (receives the knowlede of the truth) the gospel and rejects it.

This scripture is not talking to the those of us who have received the knowledge of the truth and have accepted Jesus as our Lord and savior.

As I recall there are NO conditions for people to have salvation except to call upon the name of the Lord and/or to believe on Him (John 3:16 and Romans 10:13).

So then can someone willfully and with premeditation sin be saved? Yes. Grace does not stop working even if we willfully sin. If it did then how can we account for the scripture that tells us there is only one unforgivable sin; that of blasphemey of the Holy Spirit? Blasphemey of the Holy Spirit is receiving the knowledge of the truth and rejecting it.

But PLEASE understand that I am NOT advocating willfully sinning in any way... but for those of us who stuggle with sin and sin willfully, God still loves us and we still have our salvation and we stil have His righteousness!

We are the church!. We are the body of Christ! We are already without spot and blemish! We are already ready so there is no way that the church is the bride of Christ. The Holy Jerusalem is! Because the Bible says so! Rev 21:9-10

cdacoffee (author) from Idaho on May 23, 2012:

Pel,

You are correct that I believe the church is already ready through His gift of righteousness and santification. As a result, the church does not have to do anything to "be ready". The church is already ready.

BUT... I never said we can just go live the old life.

These are two different issues in Christianity.

graceinus on May 04, 2012:

jb, I hope the following will hope answer your question relating to "We are made perfect because we have been given the gift of righteousness" and yet you wonder why we still sin and at the same time we are the body of Christ( not the bride of Christ).

I draw your attention to 1 Thessalonions 2:23 NKJV which states: 23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you COMPLETLY; and may your Spirit, Soul and Body be preserved blamless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

In this verse above it clearly indicates there our three parts to each and every one of us. Spirit, Soul and Body. It is wrong to think that the Spirit and Soul is or means the same thing, it is not. The Soul part of us is are mind, emotions and will. The Soul and body is the carnal part of each of us. Carnal means what we can identfy through our 5 sences. What we see, hear, touch, smell and tast.

When we received Christ as our Savior, it is the spirit part of us that receives the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and it's the Spirit part of us that receives the richtiousness of Christ. And in our heart is where the spirit dwells. This is why God looks at our heart. The change in us does not come from outside in but from the inside out. As we study the word of God, the Holy Spirit reveals within us Knowledge and Wisdom of God and what He wants revealed to us.

The Carnal part of us is in constant conflict with the Spirit. Our mind and body will sin, but our Spirit is sealed with the baptism of the Holy Spirit and can not be corrupted. As our faith grows our soul begins to identify with the spirit part of us, the things we learn in the spirit part of us begins to draw our spirital to the physical. Our mind (Soul) wants to react to our spirit part of us within our heart. Our physical body will never on it own react or respone to our Spirit.

This is why we our a new creature or a new being. We becaome part of the body of Christ. We become a creature that never existed before.

This does not mean we will not commit acts of sin, because again the carnal mind (Soul) will alway be in conflict with the spirit part of us. The evil one still has power to influence our thoughs and our will. Yet our faith comes from the spirit part of us which is given to us from God which allow us to resist sin.

It is the Spirit part of us that is in the body of Christ,yet it is our body that remain carnal. But our Soul can act on what was learn from our spirit to influence our body. This is why we can not make ourself righteous based on our own efforts. This is why our Soul knows right and wrong.

Jesus Christ is the best example of this. His Spirit was in perfect harmony with his Soul and Body. The Holy Spirit dwelled in the heart of Jesus. This is why he never sin, this is why He never doubted, this is why He raised people from the dead, this is way He was able to heal the sick, this is why He could walk on water, this is why he was able to preach the Kingdom of God and Rightiousness. This is why He was perfect. And this is why He could not be conceived though a human father.

This is why we are perfect and righteous through our savior Jesus Christ. His Grace on us and our faith in him allows us to understand in our heart Spirit, Soul and Body. The Holy Spirit will guide our hearts. As we open our hearts (Spirit) to the Holy Spirit we will begin to see and hear.

The Body of Christ are those (our Spirits) who are the

citizens of the Kingdom of God. This should never be confused with the issue of the bride of Christ is the Church or is not the church. As CDACOFFEE has stated many times "We are already made Righteous through Jesus". If one understands that it's our Spirit part of us that is righteous, then it allows us to understand who we are in the BODY OF CHRIST.

cdacoffee (author) from Idaho on April 30, 2012:

I don't think that I am making too big a deal about all of this as the bride of Christ teaching states that the bride has to get herself ready. If that is true then I had to do some kind of a work to get ready. Paul said that the Galations were fools because they went back to "works" and that those that do go back to "works" put themselves back under the curse of the law. But Jesus died to give us the GIFT of righteousness. As far as God is concerned, we are perfect, righteous, sanctified and etc., as His gift to us. So then, the Bride has to be somebody else and NOT the church. We don't have to get ready. We are already ready.

Ixthus12 on April 29, 2012:

One thing I want to point out to you all is that The LORD did't die to save a city but a people for His name sake. Ou are making too big a deal out of this. We ate saved by God's grace through the person and work of Jesus Christ. Read 1Corinthians 1:30 and you will see that Jesus has become hat we could not; Jesus has become o us wisdom, righteousness, notification and redemption. So how could we, who are born again through Jesus, still sin and be born again? When we walk by the flesh and not by the Spirit. John says in his first Epistle, "I write these things unto you that you may not sin but if anyone does we have an advocate with the Father who is Jesus Christ the Righteous. We who are born again learn not to sin as we are taught not to by learning the word of God. Jesus says in Matthew 28, " make disciples and teach them to obey everything I say."

cdacoffee (author) from Idaho on April 29, 2012:

As far as God is concerned we are perfect.

cdacoffee (author) from Idaho on April 29, 2012:

You need to judge yourself and not me. As I recall, Paul called the Galations fools. So, what do you do with that?

jb on April 26, 2012:

so cdacoffee

im a little confused about a different doctrin after

reading your post.

"I agree. We shouldn't continue to be "of the world" once we get saved. But still we can't be perfect."

this is your quote and then later

"We are perfect because we have been given the gift of righteousness. "

I think i agree that we are the bo