Did God Have a Creator?

Updated on April 22, 2019
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Glenn Stok analyzes and writes about unique perspectives on life based on his studies of theoretical and critical philosophy.

Where was God before the beginning? Many religions are based on the notion that there is a creator of life and the universe. This article is not meant to argue with beliefs. I’ll discuss various concepts of the universe so that alternative views about creation and the hereafter may be considered.


Where Was God Before the Beginning?

I always try to analyze things in an effort to make sense of contradictions.

One such contradiction that always bothered me is trying to understand where God was before the Big Bang. An easy way out is to say that God created the universe.

As I investigate this question, I peruse thoughts of scientific study, taking into account the Big Bang as the start of the universe, analyzing the theory of time, and associating the notion of parallel universes.

In the end, I’ll leave the question unanswered because I admit I simply do not know. I'm just giving you something else to think about. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion and belief.

Everything I discuss here can be disputed when one assumes that God is not a physical being and therefore cannot be controlled by the laws of physics or subjected to the restrictions of time.

What Is the Origin of God?

According to Genesis 1.1, “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth.

But who created God? From where did He originate?

Various religions have different solutions, such as claiming that gods beget other gods. Christianity simply claims that God has always existed.

If God was always around then I wonder, "What was God doing before the beginning?"

A better question is, "What was the beginning?"

If one describes the beginning as the time between “the existence of nothing” and “the existence of everything” then where was God during the existence of nothing?

If He, Himself, was non-existent, then from where did He originate? What did He originate from?

More importantly, when did He come into being?

Before the beginning?

That's impossible because the definition of “beginning” implies that nothing existed before that time.

After the beginning?

That can't be correct either, because we're saying that He created the heavens and the earth in the beginning. Therefore, He had to be there already.

The only option left is to say that He came into being at the same exact instant that the universe began. That should satisfy our inquiring minds.

But wait a minute. He created the heavens and the earth. Doesn’t that mean that He created the Universe? So I’m having a problem conceiving of the instant of time that separates nothing from everything.

What happened at that moment? How long did that “moment” last?

The limitations of the concept of time need to be considered. Time may have boundaries. It’s restricted to being between a beginning and an end. Or is it?

Did God Create Time?

St. Augustine, a theologian in the 4th century, gave a lot of thought to where God may have been before the universe was created. He considered the idea that if God did indeed exist, he created time.

But if that were so, then without time, there was no “before” in the period prior to the Big bang. So there would have been no place where God could have existed.

Even Albert Einstein came to a similar conclusion. According to his theory of relativity, time slows down with increased mass. If the mass of the entire universe existed in a space smaller than a subatomic particle, as scientists describe it prior to the Big bang, then time would have effectively been at a standstill.1

Without the passage of time, God would have had an eternity to do His creative work! However, that still leaves me wondering where He was. It contradicts the reasoning I just described.

St. Augustine
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An Oscillating Universe—A Theory That Can Solve the Contradiction

Oscillating Universe

I have my own theory: The Big Bang was not the beginning. Time may be cyclic. The universe may be oscillating between existence and non-existence.

Big Bang > Expansion > Contraction > Black Hole > Then Big Bang Again

We know that the universe has been expanding ever since the last big bang. That expansion is measurable with present technology. Eventually, the gravitational pull of all the galaxies will overpower the expansion (based on the law of diminishing returns), and the universe will start falling in on itself again. Finally, it contracts into a black hole which ultimately will explode as another big bang.

Now for an interesting question: If what I just described is the way it actually is, then does each cycle become an exact repetition of the prior cycle? Or do things turn out differently each time it repeats?

In other words, does time repeat literally the same way? If so, is there just one specific course of events—similar to replaying a movie over and over again?

If this were so, then this means we have no choice in our lives. We are just following a preplanned script of the universe.

There is another theory. The state of “existence” may have many alternate realities occurring simultaneously. Each reality may be following different paths. There may even be an infinite number of realities. God might have been busy creating numerous complex scenarios to observe and discover which works best.

But I keep coming up with more questions. Even if He had created many versions of the universe, it's still questionable as to what is beyond all that. Is there a Super-God out there?

If God created a complex universe, wouldn't it take an even more complex entity to have created God?

— Richard Deem {2}

What's Beyond the Universe?

So what's outside the universe? We tend to think of the universe as “everything.” As it keeps expanding, its boundaries separate it from everything that’s beyond.

Oops! Did you catch that? Isn't what I just said a contradiction in terms?

If I claim that there is something beyond the universe, then that which is within the universe cannot be everything. Can it?

As thinking human beings with our limited vision, we need to have a frame of reference. But that limits our ability to comprehend reality. Scientists once believed that the earth was the center of the universe. Then it was thought that the Milky Way represented the entire universe.

As technology provides a means to look farther into space, we acquire a better understanding of what's out there. But we will forever create a limited frame of reference, which is unfortunate.

We can't think outside the box as long as we are in it. We can only guess, and speculate, and dream up our own thoughts and ideas. Even Einstein realized the limitations of our own comprehension.

I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being.

— Albert Einstein {3}

Thinking Outside the Box

The purpose of the rest of this article, although getting somewhat technical, is to attempt to tie all the pieces of the puzzle together.

Imagine How Things Would Be If We Didn't Have Gravity!

  • If there were no gravity, drinking a glass of water would be impossible. The water wouldn't stay in the glass. It would just float out into space.
  • When you brush your teeth and gargle, the mouthwash would float out of your mouth.
  • When you come home and drop your keys on the table, they float away. (Maybe this is why you can’t find your keys the next day).
  • You hang a picture on the wall, but it doesn't stay put. Without gravity, it just floats off the nail.
  • You try to sit in a chair to read this article on your tablet, but you don't feel the pull of gravity holding you down and you end up floating out of the chair. (Don’t you just hate it when that happens?)

Okay, enough of the examples. You get the idea.

Did God Create Gravity?

The force of gravitational attraction is proportional to the mass of the objects. However, if there are no objects prior to creation, gravity wouldn’t exist. So what came first?

We take the law of gravity for granted. We usually don't think about it, but the laws of physics are based on the natural laws of gravity—keeping our world, and everything in it, in its place.

I tend to take things a step further in my thoughts. That brings me to imagine what went on in God's mind. Was gravity something that He realized was necessary to hold the Universe together in a non-chaotic condition? Or was it just a fluke that occurred when He put all the pieces together?

Gravity Holds Everything in the Universe Together

Gravity is a force. We might say it's a force of nature—or a law of physics. Or did God decide that it was required to provide a means for all His creations to stay together in a precise universe? After all, the law of gravity is very precise. It can be measured and mathematically replicated in computer simulations.

Gravity is not the only force of attraction. Magnetism can also be an attracting force.

How Is Magnetism and Gravity Different?

Magnetism can pull two objects together, just as gravity does, but it can also repel with the same amount of force.

  • Magnetism is polarized. North and South poles will attract one another. But it will repel when the poles are the same (North to North or South to South).
  • Gravity is not polarized. It will never repel. It just attracts. Any two objects in the universe will attract one another.

The Force of Gravity Works Both Ways

You may not realize it, but you are pulling the Earth up to you just as the Earth is pulling you down. The force of gravitational attraction is proportional to the mass of the objects. So the gravitational force of the Earth on you is much stronger than the tiny gravity you are exerting on objects around you.

You know that the planets of our solar system remain in orbit because of the Sun’s gravity. The same is true with moons revolving around their parent planets, such as our Moon around the Earth.

View of the Moon with Earth behind.
View of the Moon with Earth behind. | Source

The gravitational effect of the Earth keeps pulling at the Moon. For that matter, the Moon’s gravity is also pulling on the Earth. That's what causes the tides, the Moon pulls the water and we have high tides when the Moon is overhead at any location on the planet.

When both the Sun and the Moon are on the same side of the Earth (as is the case during a New Moon, or on opposite sides (a Full Moon), then the combined gravitational force creates extra high tides that we call Spring Tides. No, this has nothing to do with the spring season. These tides are 20% higher than normal.

The Earth Has Both a Magnetic Field and a Gravitational Field

I can’t end this section without adding that we live on a unique planet that has a magnetic field as well as a gravitational field.

The magnetic field is due to the fact that we have a solid metal core inside a liquid outer core.4

The dynamics of our metallic inner core creates a magnetic field as the Earth rotates, which produces a protective magnetic flux around the entire planet that diverts cosmic particles toward the poles, away from inhabited locations. This is what causes the Aurora Borealis.

If it weren’t for this wonderful attribute, the Earth would not be able to support life because the cosmic radiation from the Sun would kill any living organism.

Aurora Borealis
Aurora Borealis | Source

What if Gravity Were Polarized?

Imagine if God had created the gravitational fields to function similarly to an electromagnetic energizer that were polarized.

Imagine then, if you will, that all He had to do were to throw the switch and reverse the polarity. Then everything in the Universe, everything as we know it, everything in the heavens and the Earth, would immediately repel and quickly separate.

Everything we know and love would move away from us as quickly as we can blink an eye.

But that can't happen. Gravity can't be reversed. Gravity is not a polarized entity. It has a powerful disposition that is part of our lives and is inherent in the very soul of our existence.

Is Creation the Result of Gravity?

Did gravity cause creation or did God create gravity and let everything else fall into place?

Gravity pulls everything together. The force of gravitational attraction is proportional to the mass of the objects. However, if there were no objects prior to creation, gravity wouldn’t have existed.

What Did Stephen Hawking Think About Gravity?

Stephen Hawking lived from Jan 08, 1942 until Mar 14, 2018, and as a theoretical physicist, he wondered how gravity came to exist. He wrote about it in his book “The Grand Design,” co-authored with Leonard Mlodinow, an American physicist.5

Here is a quote from his book, followed by my interpretation.

“Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.”

— Stephen Hawking

My Interpretation

Note that Hawking was not denying the existence of God. The way I see it, he simply was saying that gravity is responsible for the creation of the Universe.

This is not a conclusive explanation. It's still up for interpretation. But now that I have exhausted that discussion, the only thing left is an examination of the hereafter.

Observation of Life After Death

This last section is an alternative view of life in Heaven based on analytical concepts and unique theoretical ideas.

Will Heaven Ever Get Overpopulated?

If you're thinking that everyone who dies goes to Heaven (okay, maybe not everyone), then what happens when the resources run out?

We are very aware of our three-dimensional world. We need to take an airplane to get to distant lands. We need to hop in a car just to drive to the next county. However, physical space is non-existent in Heaven. One can exist anywhere they want to be without traveling. Therefore one’s consciousness can flip from one location to the next in quantum leaps.

This is why it will never get overpopulated. There are no worries because the resources are endless. They are endless because they are immaterial. That’s the result of time and space being non-existent.

Will Heaven Be Boring?

It is assumed that once one dies and goes to Heaven, they are there for eternity.

If life in the hereafter continues indefinitely, are people who passed away waiting patiently for their loved ones to join them?

How does one not get bored? Having given this some thought, I concluded that time is not linear. There is no reference to past, present or future. For that matter, time doesn't exist in the hereafter. Any particular experience does not happen in a moment of time. There is no concept of a moment to moment.

Since there is no tomorrow, but rather, always just today, there is no longing for the past and no anticipation of the future.

In addition, there is no concept of physical space either. That means that communication can exist between people without being in the same location and without being at the same time. One can have a conversation with another person who had died long before them or will die long after.

It's hard to imagine the non-existence of time because that is such a meaningful entity for us in our living world. Since time is not an issue in the hereafter, parents don't need to wait until their children grow old and die in order to be reunited. The soul of everyone who ever lived, and everyone yet to die, is already there.

Is Everyone in Heaven the Same Age?

When we die and we meet all those people we knew in life, how old are they?

Do we meet everyone at the age we last saw him or her alive, or are they at some earlier age of their physical life?

What if they died after us? When we finally run into them in Heaven will they be older than we had known them to be in our physical life? Will we recognize them?

What if everyone is starting over as an infant? Then, of course, we would be infants too. Who would be taking care of us?

Do you see my point? I'm having a problem figuring out a meaningful age everyone would be when they arrive in Heaven.

The dilemma is that in our present life we are only familiar with having the constraints of time. We can't comprehend having eternity to do everything that may be on our bucket list.

How Old Is Everyone in Heaven?

Will we forever be at the same age as when we died? I don’t think we would be with the body we have in our present life. That would mean that those who were old and crippled would continue to be that way. That would not be Heaven. Would it?

If there were a hereafter, then we would no doubt exist in some other form. We don't take our body with us when we die.

So age is of no consequence. And besides, time is non-existent as well. So anything related to time and aging is definitely not an issue.


Final Thoughts

The sequence of time throughout our lifetime helps us keep track of past experiences and plan for future events and meetings with people at a common place and time. The concept of time is something we can't comprehend being without.

However, I can’t imagine any reason why time is necessary in the hereafter. The need to manage one’s time just doesn’t sound like Heaven—needing to be somewhere and not be late, synchronizing events, rushing to finish tasks, concern about productivity, and so on.

In addition, as I discussed earlier in this article, God may have had all the time in the universe to complete His creation of "the heavens and the earth" since time didn't exist before creation. So it probably doesn't exist after we leave this planet either. I guess that leaves us with eternal bliss.

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    • Glenn Stok profile imageAUTHOR

      Glenn Stok 

      4 months ago from Long Island, NY

      Donny - I like your version of saying "before anything else” instead of "In the beginning". It fits better with the idea of time having no beginning or end.

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      4 months ago

      Okay! Interesting article, I spend a LOT of time considering these things as well. I have a few relevant comments and I hope to hear your perspective on them!

      1. I feel like you could cite one verse to clear up a lot of the hanging questions you are exploring.

      Ecclesiastes 3:11 - He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also, he has put eternity into man's heart, yet so that he cannot find out what God has done from the beginning to the end.

      2. For a long time I struggled with "In the beginning" and where God came from, and what he was doing before, and why he started doing anything. My solution to this problem was to define the word "In the beginning" a little differently to mean "before anything else." For some reason this settles my curiosity.

      3. About time in Gods perspective. King David said that a day of Gods time is like 1000 years of ours. We could suggest that this is absolutely literal, since God states to Adam that "In the day you eat of [the fruit] you shall surely die" and he lives nearly 1000 years after

      4. Regarding 6 days of creation. If we consider the fact above we already have a seriously resonable timeframe for God to go about the natural, Evolutionary Creation process (especially if he evolved several different species of animals at the same time from different "dust seeds" as I call them (single-celled organisms). Now if you also consider the Time Dialation that you already mentioned, we could have millions of years of "Observable History" which could have taken place in just moments over the course of 6 millennia.

      Thanks for the awesome article!

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      Glenn Stok 

      6 months ago from Long Island, NY

      Tim Truzy - That's Schrödinger's Cat that you had referred to, And yes, that demonstrates how two opposing states can exist at the same time. You explained that well.

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      Tim Truzy 

      6 months ago from U.S.A.

      Hi, Glenn,

      I read your article and thought of several things. We are linear beings, God is not. Remember that cat from quantum mechanics which was theorized to be dead and alive simultaneously? And the Holographic Universe?

      Scientists are beginning to think that we will experience a Big Rip, the universe will not collapse, but because of Dark energy, will speed up until we rip apart. In this scinario, we may have multiple Big Bangs occurring. Since God is nonlinear, He is able to be at all of these "beginnings."

      Such is probably how our universe popped into existence. Likewise, God is there and even a part of the "nothingness" because quantum mechanics has demonstrated two opposing states can exist at the same time for one entity (it's been proven with photons.).

      Yet, I enjoyed your interesting and thought provoking article.



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      Glenn Stok 

      6 months ago from Long Island, NY

      Aadithya Madhu - Thanks for your interest. Yes, I have written additional articles on Spiritual Philosophy that you can find here: https://www.glennstok.com/list-spiritual-philosoph...

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      Aadithya Madhu 

      6 months ago

      You are just simply awesome. We have the same thoughts. Most of thr people reading your work might be having same thoughts. Can we start like a group where we can share all this ? Do you teach stuff ? How can i meet you ? I have a lot of diubts. I want to play my part in revealing the ultimate truths.

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      Glenn Stok 

      22 months ago from Long Island, NY

      GG - Time will always remain a mystery. You’re right about that.

      As for God's measurement of time, I came up with an amusing concept. He had all eternity to create the Universe, not just six days and rest on the seventh.

      My reasoning is that time didn’t exist. He created time as the last step of creation. That’s just my amusing take on it.

      More seriously, I wrote another article that gives another viewpoint of this, that time is cyclical. There is no beginning or end. Check it out at https://owlcation.com/stem/recurrence-of-the-unive...

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      22 months ago

      My simple answer to your question is that our concept of "time" as we know it, is not measured the same way by God. Therefore, what came first as related to"time" will remain part of the "mystery" of life, until the "time" that we meet God face to face.

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      Glenn Stok 

      2 years ago from Long Island, NY

      Kathleen Cochran - Sounds like you really got what I was talking about here. You also express yourself very well. Thanks for that comment. It's interesting that you mention the afterlife because I am working on another article to be published soon: "A Hypothetical Observation of Life After Death" - It has an interesting twist that I never found anyone else considering.

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      Kathleen Cochran 

      2 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      "I’m not a religious person, but that doesn’t stop me from having an open mind."

      It may just mean you have more of an open mind than those of us who are believers. :)

      OK. This kind of thinking can really keep you up at nights. One of the reasons I am looking forward to an afterlife in God's presence is finding out about all these kinds of things. Right now, there are a couple of things I believe (and some don't) that help me ask these questions without giving myself a massive headache.

      1. God is spirit. Jesus is his physical manifestation, as we will be in Heaven. It makes it easier to conceive of a spirit who has always been than to conceive of a physical presence somewhere.

      2. Human beings think in finite terms. God (as you described him here) is infinite - no beginning no end. Our minds can't actually grasp that concept because we live in a finite world. We only have three dimensions. We are limited by things like the law of gravity. God isn't. This is where faith comes in. Without it, you give yourself a massive headache!

      This is an amazing question and it is fascinating how you have wrestled with it. Can't wait to see what you come up with next.

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      Glenn Stok 

      2 years ago from Long Island, NY

      Wow, Thanks Buildreps. That is an extremely nice comment you wrote about my way of thinking and my background. And to compare me to Einstein – you just made my day. He also had trouble with the scientific community not accepting his ideas at first.

      I understand what you said about the higher dimensions. It's easy for us to look into a two-dimensional world, such as a drawing on a piece of paper. But a cartoon character drawn on paper can't look outside it's two-dimensions and therefore can't see the existence of us. We might seem like Gods to that cartoon character, who's sensing that something is there but can't see it. Same goes for us. We have trouble looking outside our three dimensions, which is why we have difficulty understanding the concept of time – the fourth dimension.

      The things you said about me are much appreciated, and especially coming from you, one who is well-educated and well-versed in science and philosophy as is evident with your articles. Thank you.

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      2 years ago from Europe

      That's it, Glenn, you've said it, we live in an oscillating universe. Your Hub is a great reader, and you're spot on. Our universe is all about zero and infinity, which is hard to grasp for the human mind.

      But I do believe there are entities in this universe, in the higher dimensions undetectable to the humans senses, that we Humans would call Gods, there are also entities in this universe that we Humans would call Devils. They haven't created anything, but interfere with our worlds, especially the dark forces. There is much to read about this topic in the Nag Hammadi Codices, the secret books on which the bibles are based on, they are hard to read, nevertheless are they very interesting when you want to expand your consciousness. Note that it's my believe because it is unprovable and untestable.

      You've a great philosophical mind with a rational background, it's the best combination one can get - it's a very rare combination like Einstein had. You'll surely find some of the answers you're looking for, in fact, you've found some, although science might not agree with you. Don't be afraid for that, follow the path of logic and math and the rest will follow.

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      Glenn Stok 

      3 years ago from Long Island, NY

      Andy Lee Lawson - That was indeed my intention, to give my readers food for thought so they come up with questions. You picked up on that very well. As for answers, I'd be the first to admit that I have none. I don't think the answers will ever be known. Not within our lifetime anyway. Questions are good. As you said, it "drives the effort of humanity." Thank you for your enlightened comment.

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      Andrew Lawson 

      3 years ago from Knoxville, TN

      I believe it was Carl Sagan who offered as his opinion that enough is understood about the universe to no longer need a "God of the gaps". I think that you, however, are presenting God as a catalyst to the beginning of a process that is understood by modern cosmology. Of course, it raises as many, perhaps more, questions than it answers. But, generating useful questions is the whole point of science and drives the effort of humanity. Excellent presentation of ideas. I aspire to be as articulate and thoughtful as you.

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      Glenn Stok 

      3 years ago from Long Island, NY

      newjerusalem - Thanks for sharing your views and for your kind comments.

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      3 years ago from India

      Your hub, indeed, is a thought-provoking one. Well, the answer for this question is beyond the comprehension of human mind. Basically, the matter concerning God is a matter of faith -- as none can understand about him through human intelligence. A very few people know God by their experience while others know him through his written word. After living in the spiritual line for some years I understand that God is what according to his word. He said to Moses, "I am that I am" when Moses asked about his identity. He is now as He was in the beginning and before the beginning . Although he preexistence before the beginning is mysterious we can only believe this fact. What we know now about God is partial and the full knowledge will be in Eternity. Just I shared my views.

      But, you've given a good thought to ponder in a very polite manner.

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      Glenn Stok 

      4 years ago from Long Island, NY

      Phyllis Doyle - Thanks for coming back to check out the comments this hub is getting. I hope others check out the comments too because I also find them to be very thought provoking and meaningful. I appreciate all my readers. They definitely are adding a well-rounded view to this hub with their comments.

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      Phyllis Doyle Burns 

      4 years ago from High desert of Nevada.

      Glenn, came back to read again. Your mind just blows my mind. Some of the comments you are getting are awesome. "Thought provoking" indeed. I often thought the same as Jackie's analogy with the ants and MrH's thought about "God being time itself beyond our awareness" - what a concept, that, too blows my mind.

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      Glenn Stok 

      4 years ago from Long Island, NY

      misterhollywood - Thanks for your comment. "Thought provoking" is what I was up to. There is probably a lot that is beyond our awareness.

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      John Hollywood 

      4 years ago from Hollywood, CA

      What a thought provoking and fun hub. It certainly made me think. What if God is time itself in a way that is beyond our awareness?

      I voted you up!

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      Glenn Stok 

      4 years ago from Long Island, NY

      Jackie Lynnley - That's a good analogy you described with the ants. Thanks for your comment.

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      Jackie Lynnley 

      4 years ago from The Beautiful South

      I think God would expect us to have questions because he does give us free will (that is why there are good and bad) and there is no predestination I don't believe just a God who knows all and foretells some of it for our benefit.

      The Bible says a day to God is like a thousand years to us. I compare it to like us looking at ants in their universe; it is the same one as ours but they don't realize that I am sure. It must be very puzzling to them but they are too busy trying to survive to question much, much like humans once were I suppose. lol

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      Glenn Stok 

      4 years ago from Long Island, NY

      FlourishAnyway - Thanks for stopping by and for your feedback on the idea I presented. The cyclic idea is one solution to the difficult hypothesis of considering a beginning and an end.

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      4 years ago from USA

      I like the cyclic idea you present. I have pondered this question myself and am unsure and like your style of reasoning.

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      Glenn Stok 

      4 years ago from Long Island, NY

      MizBejabbers - I do get your humor. It's a good way to lighten things up on such as deep subject. Thanks for the vote up and thanks for being a new follower.

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      Glenn Stok 

      4 years ago from Long Island, NY

      Phyllis Doyle - I just read your version of answering the question. You sure did a lot of research and you introduced interesting thoughts to ponder.

      It's always uplifting to read other viewpoints. Little by little, maybe the answers to the age old questions will emerge.

      I recommend your hub for anyone who wants to ponder this further. I left you a lengthy reply comment in your hub. Oh, and thanks for the kind words. You truly are special.

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      Doris James MizBejabbers 

      4 years ago from Beautiful South

      It leads to the question, "who is God," or better yet, "what is God?" Is there one God or are there many gods? Maybe our universe was made by a committee. I can go along with your thinking, but then my mind starts blanking out, like when I had too much to drink. Come to think of it, it makes me want a drink, and I don't drink anymore!

      Seriously, "they" say that time only exists in dense matter (like my head), so does time exist only in our dimensional plane? Are there many dense universes out there where time exists? One question leads to another and I'm starting to get a headache. Congratulations on a fine brain-tickling article. Next time pick a deeper subject, will you? Voted up++

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      Phyllis Doyle Burns 

      4 years ago from High desert of Nevada.

      That is what I believe, Jodah, that God was the beginning.

      Glenn, I published my version if you want to take a look see. Chaos the Void - Before the Beginning. A lot of your questions really inspired me to delve deeper into my own thoughts, which lead me to where God was before the Beginning.

      I am really enjoying this sharing of thoughts, because each one sparks another.

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      John Hansen 

      4 years ago from Queensland Australia

      Perhaps God was the beginning...it's like asking what came first, the chicken or the egg?

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      Glenn Stok 

      4 years ago from Long Island, NY

      Jodah - That's kind of what I was talking about with existence in an alternate reality. It is a plausable explanation of where He is now. But where do you suppose He was before the beginning? That's the unanswered question in my hub.

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      John Hansen 

      4 years ago from Queensland Australia

      Much food for thought here Glenn. Good article. Here's a thought, what if there is something outside the universe? The universe itself is so immense that we can't even comprehend anything outside it or larger. Perhaps God exists in that place.

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      Glenn Stok 

      4 years ago from Long Island, NY

      Asa2141 - You are so right that it's impossible to answer these questions with our limited knowledge. As for your disagreement about the big bang, I agree that it's only a theory. But I can explain how the universe can fit in the size of a pinhead.

      It is known that all matter is mostly space. Matter is made up of atoms. Atoms have a nucleus with electrons revolving around the nucleus, similar to planets revolving around the sun. There is mostly empty space between the nucleus and the electrons. Just as there is mostly empty space between our sun and the planets of our solar system. So if you take all that into consideration, it's easier to comprehend how the entire universe can be squashed into a pinhead or black hole as we know it. But the energy remains, and eventually causes a Big Bang all over again. Hence the cyclic nature I discussed in the hub. We more or less have proof of this already since we can see how everything is moving away from everything else.

      As for your second disagreement, I'm not arguing the point that if He exists he is eternal. But that makes the question even more meaningful. The Bible leaves the question unanswered by saying He is eternal. Eternal means He was always in existence. So where was He before the beginning? I couldn't answer it either.

      Thanks for your thoughtful and intelligent comment. It really makes one think things through.

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      Glenn Stok 

      4 years ago from Long Island, NY

      chefsref - Very good explanation. It's true that we can't visualize dimensions greater than ours. The book "Flatland" goes into detail on that. We have enough trouble perceiving the fourth dimension as we can't see time. We are only aware of the passage of time. So you bring up an interesting point. If there is a God, He may be in a much higher dimension.

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      Asa Schneidermann 

      4 years ago from Boise

      Interesting article Mr. Glenn!

      When I was little, I sometimes wondered: 'what was God doing before He created everything?' Then I would think, 'Man! He must have been boooored! Maybe he created me just because he wanted something to do.'

      In my opinion, all of these questions - what was God doing before He created the universe and so on - are ultimately unanswerable because we are humans with limited understanding.

      I will disagree with you on two points, however. First, I don't believe in the Big Bang, I believe in a Big Creation you could say, but not a Big Bang. Now, I'm not a scientist, but, to me, the idea of this entire, beautiful universe exploding into existence from a dot the size of a pinhead takes more faith than I can muster. Beside, where did the pinhead of matter come from?

      Second, to me, the idea that God cannot be created seems perfectly logical. God is eternal as it says throughout the Bible. If God had to be created, he would - by very definition - cease to be....well....God!

      I can honestly say, I've never read a more gracious article questioning the idea of God. Thanks for the read.

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      Lee Raynor 

      4 years ago from Citra Florida

      Hey Glen

      Excellent Hub, makes me want to join the Flat Earth Society!

      I like the idea of a cyclic universe, everything we see has cycles thus it seems logical that the universe would cycle too.

      As far as where God was before he created the universe, I think we lack the equipment to understand some of the most profound questions. Like extra dimensions; can we imagine something existing in more than three dimensions? I don't think so but maybe God exists in another dimension.

      On the other hand Steven Hawkings says that the mathematics show that God was not necessary to create the universe.

    • Glenn Stok profile imageAUTHOR

      Glenn Stok 

      4 years ago from Long Island, NY

      Country-Sunshine - Right. It doesn't answer the question. That's why I admitted that right up front. Putting aside beliefs and theories, there probably is no answer. Thanks for reading and for your comment.

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      Country Sunshine 

      4 years ago from Texas

      I have often asked the same question of "If God made the universe, who made God?" No one seems to have the answer to this, and we will probably never know. I do like your cyclic theory, although for me, it still doesn't answer the question!

    • Glenn Stok profile imageAUTHOR

      Glenn Stok 

      4 years ago from Long Island, NY

      Larry Fields - You sure took it one step further. I'm curious now to examine that question.

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      Larry Fields 

      4 years ago from Northern California

      Hi Glenn. I take it that this is the place for unbridled speculation.

      I am not areligious scholar. That said, my understanding is that Genesis does not talk about God as THE creator. Instead, we have the Elohim, who are plural. By the way, Elohim is a very beautiful word.

      If you want to believe that God is a general contractor, then the Elohim could be his subcontractors.

      Or it could be that some Elohim committee created God, the universe, and everything. And yes, that includes, "A Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy."

      Then the question becomes: Who created the Elohim?


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